Comments on: Ethical Dilemmas: Mandatory ORWP – an exercise of responsibility or power? Do benefits outweigh rights? https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/ Canada’s premier magazine for real estate professionals. Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:24:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Ben Kukkee https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-10035 Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:24:52 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-10035 ORWP is inadequate and expensive. No eye exams, no dental, nothing of value. We’re independent contractors and should have the right to opt out. It’s a cash-grab scheme. Nowhere on the questionnaire did it mention it would be mandatory or cost $660/year. Reco talks about ethics in everything we do. OREA is clearly exercising a double standard on this one. Their voting method had no transparency. I don’t want it. I don’t want to pay for it. Shame on them for forcing this on Ontario agents. Health insurance has nothing to do with Real Estate and they shouldn’t have the power to insist we need it to be in good standing with OREA.

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By: Brian Martindale https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-6164 Sun, 10 Dec 2023 04:14:54 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-6164 Correction: Re my above comment: “There is no such thing as pure democracy as is currently being practiced within this dictatorial organization.” should read: “There is no such thing as pure democracy as is being trotted out as currently being practiced within this organization.”

I’m out of practice writing this stuff.

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By: Brian Martindale https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-6134 Sat, 09 Dec 2023 18:26:52 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-6134 Well, well, well: I’ve been out of real estate for about twelve years now, have not been keeping up with the game, or REM articles, and just now stumbled across this discussion. Seems to me nothing has changed re the O.R.E.A. vs the unwashed-masses debate. Never assume the oligarchs at O.R.E.A. do not view their serfs as anything other than tax-paying low-lives unworthy of ‘their’ time re time-wasting persuasive-argument attempts. Don’t you all know who your masters are? I’m sure you heard the following before, but it bears repeating; “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Humans can’t help but let power go to their heads. That’s why most elections essentially serve first and foremost to get rid of the bastards vs electing new ones. “Mommy: Why do the bastards only come out when Daddy’s driving?” Enough said.

There is no such thing as pure democracy as is currently being practiced within this dictatorial organization. Pure democracy is simply daily referendum votes on every issue as was practiced by the ancient Athenians (the citizens) within their city-state form of government. Your real estate government officials are simply representative first-past-the-post elected dictators who serve for specified terms to essentially do as they wish within said time frames. Wannabe government-types love telling others what to do and what to think. It’s simply in their D.N.A. The best leaders are those who do not seek power, but exercise it responsibly once tapped for the job without seeking it beforehand. You don’t have that reality within your organization.

Nothing has changed, nor will it, unless the serfs (taxpayers) get together and demand it…by way of withholding dues on a mass scale. Revolutionary? Yep!

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By: Dolly https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-5272 Fri, 01 Dec 2023 17:20:11 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-5272 100% of the above comments are opposed to the mandatory ORWP!
This is to show the votes n surveys are skewed. Where are the yes sayers to this programme?

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By: wolfgang.gu https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-5151 Fri, 01 Dec 2023 00:26:46 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-5151 BTW, the article for “Ontario boards vote to keep ORWP as mandatory” keeps deleting comments. They are afraid of different opinions.

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By: wolfgang.gu https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-5150 Fri, 01 Dec 2023 00:23:13 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-5150 45% votes say no per the results we were delivered yesterday, that is around 40000 members many enough to build another sort of OREA II. Why not!!! Where is our government? Those members might unite to fight in courts of human rights tribunal of Ontario and Competition Bureau Canada. Apparently OREA goes too far away from a real estate related association. It is just a voluntary membership per RECO. Its weapon is MLS. Otherwise who needs its membership?

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By: adam saunders https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-5026 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:07:35 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-5026 Sir, you are lost in your own world, not even close to your audience…. really; “Backing up her statement, in Democracy in America, one of the most influential books of all time on government, Alexis de Tocqueville warned us about the tyranny of the majority.”

Your attempt to prove your “intellect” shows how far you miss the point. Your head sir, is far up in the clouds, and is not the place for this discussion.

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By: Carol Borg https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-5003 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:02:54 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-5003 In reply to Robert C Ede.

The survey is not being overseen by a neutral third party. The results will be what TREB wants them to be regardless of the true outcome of the vote.

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By: Patti Dallimore https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-4961 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:24:32 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-4961 In reply to Debbie Van Wyck.

Well said!!!

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By: FS https://realestatemagazine.ca/ethical-dilemmas-mandatory-orwp-an-exercise-of-responsibility-or-power-do-benefits-outweigh-rights/#comment-4959 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:27:25 +0000 https://realestatemagazine.ca/?p=25840#comment-4959 In reply to James Kellie.

Great point James! INDEPENDENT & SELF-EMPLOYED.
We pay a fee to be a member. All other is “independently” up to us what added benefits we choose to have and pay for.

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